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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 07:56:22 pm »
got this using online msq ve clac.

EVEME 1.0 //VEX format version
UserRev: 1.02
UserComment: Automatically generated
Date: 04-28-109
Time: 15:06
Page 0
VE Table RPM Range              [ 8] # expressed in RPM/100
   [  0] = 5
   [  1] = 10
   [  2] = 19
   [  3] = 28
   [  4] = 37
   [  5] = 46
   [  6] = 55
   [  7] = 64
VE Table Load Range (MAP)       [ 8]
   [  0] = 20
   [  1] = 45
   [  2] = 70
   [  3] = 95
   [  4] = 115
   [  5] = 140
   [  6] = 165
   [  7] = 190
VE Table                        [  8][  8]
           [  0] [  1] [  2] [  3] [  4] [  5] [  6] [  7]
   [  0] =   58    60    61    62    61    59    56    53
   [  1] =   68    70    72    73    72    70    67    64
   [  2] =   78    81    83    84    83    80    76    72
   [  3] =   89    91    94    95    94    91    86    82
   [  4] =   97    99   103   103   102    99    94    89
   [  5] =   107   110   113   114   113   109   104    99
   [  6] =   117   120   124   125   124   120   114   108
   [  7] =   127   131   135   136   135   130   124   118

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 02:01:47 am »
Do you have a clean RPM signal?

If not, worry about tables and maps later.

If so, then set your ignition table to 20degrees across the entire table, this is all you will need to get running.

VE table can be set to 75%

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 04:15:29 am »
Vems is on the desk il't try rpm again later in car with these settings provided by gunni (got rpm before with wrong toothwheel settings)


Multitooth
Disabled
Disabled
N-2
Normal

TDC after trigger tooth, this you have to check. likely 70-90 for a Bosch 60-2 wheel (90)
Number of teeth. 60
Trigger tooth 3
Next Trigger tooth 20
Crank min 2224


this is my calculated ve table :



and this is cranck / afterstart settings.

Is 10 degree crack advance OK?




on the spark table i filled out full table with 20.00  deg values under al fields.

what about target lambda table fill entire table with 1.00 lambda values?

thanks
 
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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 04:27:39 am »
and this is lamda table so far  :-\



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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2009, 06:31:43 am »
Lambda below 70kpa = 1

lambda from 70-100kpa = 0.9

lambda above that = 0.8

Also you should scale the graph a bit better, i.e equal amounts of pressure between each row.
like
20,40,60,80,100 and so on.

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 01:21:16 pm »
Number of teeth should be 58 for 60-2 wheel and toothwidth 6.00 deg.
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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 05:00:47 pm »
Number of teeth should be 58 for 60-2 wheel and toothwidth 6.00 deg.

So i do i need to change this gunni?

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 05:06:32 pm »
Yea, sorry my bad.

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 08:50:27 pm »
Number of teeth should be 58 for 60-2 wheel and toothwidth 6.00 deg.

6 deg? what needs to be changed ?
I dont understand.

edit: figured it afer looking at trigger settings out that's angular width of tooth :)
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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2009, 05:04:05 am »
everything is connected now in-car  8)

i temp coolant map tps looks ok.

injector config is burned to ecu :) but i didn't connectet 123456 chanel to injectors, onley flyback to all injectors with disconnectet +12 relay fuse to injectors, and fused +12 to ignition coil.

question is : CAN I TRY TO turn-on engine to check RPM signal with no injector signal 123456 connected. i don't want to kill FETs.

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2009, 01:44:03 pm »
everything is connected now in-car  8)

i temp coolant map tps looks ok.

injector config is burned to ecu :) but i didn't connectet 123456 chanel to injectors, onley flyback to all injectors with disconnectet +12 relay fuse to injectors, and fused +12 to ignition coil.

question is : CAN I TRY TO turn-on engine to check RPM signal with no injector signal 123456 connected. i don't want to kill FETs.


Sure you can, remove fuelpump, injector and coil fuses to be sure.
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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2009, 08:15:39 pm »
thanks  :D

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2009, 10:23:56 pm »
NO SPARK   ::) ::) ::) ::)

-I'm using standard (STOCK) distributor, and one ignition coil connected to: ignition00-pin35
-primary trigger vr 60-2 stock alfa
-v6 engine

i get rpm signal 50rpm with empty battery...

connected like this.


ignition driver is soldered in DR00 :


and this is my  ignition config screenshoot:


ignitin setting: dwell @13.2v is 3.07ms/ dummy ignition



i suspect ignition config is somehow wrong.

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2009, 11:21:29 pm »
set ignition outputs to 05..00, set output channels all to 0(35), set reftooth h1 table from top to bottom: 0 40 20 0 40 20, check h2 that there is ign on top 8 and 0 on bottom 8 selection.
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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2009, 11:24:36 pm »

Change the output to 00..05
And in the Ignition output
change all the 0-5 outputs to PIN35.

ahh Sambas beat me to it :)