Author Topic: VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter  (Read 8395 times)

Offline zerb

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VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter
« on: August 30, 2012, 03:17:29 pm »
My car seems to 'freeze' vemstune on my netbook whenever i go full throttle and attempt to take a log.  you can shut down vemstune and fire it back up, and then all is well.  but the log isnt taken.  now if i turn the SD logger on internally and go do a pull, it will lock up as mentioned above--reboot vemstune---turn the SD logger off, the log is saved in there just fine.  now, i will try and include all useful information below here that i think may be of importance in the quest to track this issue down.

Grounds, block is grounded to the body of the car.  on that same bolt on the block there is also a ground cable that runs to the rear seat area of the car where the negative battery cable is grounded to the body of the car via a large bolt.  the vems unit is grounded to the head.  i use an HP mini running windows 7, with a USB-Serial converter using a Prolific driver.  doing some poking around the internet is seems that the driver i have isnt the newest one according to Prolifics site, i may try and install the newer driver just to see if that helps at all later today.  i will also note that i run a non-resistored spark plug in the car, but there are many other cars that run this plug and this same ecu that do not have these com issues, and a bosch motorsports coilpack with just some stock VW 16v plug wires attached to it.  some say the plugs may very well be the culprit, and lets just say they are causing electrical noise within the system under high load and thats whats causing the USB converter to loose communication...could i add some sort of electrical noise dampner somewhere in the ignition system to clean up the signal?

the car feels solid the entire time, no misfires, no hiccups, just pure pedal to the metal smooth as butter power. 

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Re: VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 08:00:20 pm »
Those plugs are source of heavy noise in your wiring. It might be that some capacitors in wiring to coils solve the problem. But straight way is to use plugs with resistor.

If you still want to use non resistor plugs try Bosch or similar wires where both inductance and resistor are built in for noise suppression.

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Re: VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2012, 08:15:20 am »
you did not say if your RS232 link is shielded or not and where it is grounded. As for the spark plug, your leads may have a resistance alright if they are not copper and sometimes the connectors (VW, Audi or Mercede) may have a resistance included. I remember I had to upgrate the Prolific driver.

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Re: VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 02:43:20 pm »
The RS232 link is shielded. and grounded on the EC18 connector pin #17

the plug wires i use are in fact Bosch OE wires from say an early 90s VW 16v motor.  I would like to NOT have to switch plugs due to the fact that the tuner uses these plugs on many other high HP applications that are setup very similar to my motor, and i like to try and keep things as constant as possible in that respect so that the data gained from all the other setups can be looked at and used across the board, hopefully that makes sense. im looking into a set of magnecor wires now thinking that they would be better at 'silencing' the electrical noise made by the non-resistor plugs.   

i didnt update the prolific driver as of yet, but i may give that a shot this weekend, the sucky part is that it seems to only happen intermittently and not EVERY time i go full throttle.  i did notice however last night driving around pulling logs that once it happens one time, it seems to happen much more often while just driving part throttle, full throttle, etc.   
« Last Edit: September 01, 2012, 06:12:18 pm by zerb »

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Re: VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 06:13:52 pm »
The RS232 link is shielded. and grounded on the EC18 connector pin #17
I have grounded the shield on the body of the car after having checked on a scope that this ground on my genboard was noisy.

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Re: VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 07:48:18 pm »
I'm also having similar problem. On full load VemsTune gauges freeze up and after let off they start working again. The log itself is intact, communication not lost, except the gauges freezing during WOT.
After upgrading to 1.1.20 the gauges keep freezing, but that frozen chunk of log is not recorded anymore.
I can bare with freezing gauges, but not lost log ! Now i can't log WOT runs at all ! The only reason why i'm using 1.1.96 again.

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Re: VemsTune loosing com with USB-Serial adapter
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 04:45:54 am »
The RS232 link is shielded. and grounded on the EC18 connector pin #17
I have grounded the shield on the body of the car after having checked on a scope that this ground on my genboard was noisy.

i think i am going to first try and see if getting a set of spark plug wires to suppress the electrical noise generated by the non-resistor plugs helps things any...i believe that to be the reason for my speedometer not functioning properly as well under full load.  and it that doesnt fix the issue i may look into grounding where you said.  the tricky part is that this doesnt happen ALL the time when under full load.  for example today i went out and had the laptop hooked up to turn the SD logger on and do a pull for a log, and the gauges on the laptop were just fine afterwards.