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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2011, 08:52:40 am »
Michele, we can't help if you try to build your tune with broken basics. Please reread Mattias previous post and try to follow it.

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2011, 09:45:57 pm »
Nice to see a Wiki page, good to have one spot to find consistent info on your setup. Put a link in your forum signature for easy access.

Your boost solenoid doesn't work because you have not activated any output in the injector table for it. Check the visual output dialog, the last row says "boost solenoid" as that is what you selected and it has no output activated. This is the least of your problems. Use my config, forget about your old one and find the ignition order.

You can run without cam sync, but then you must use "dual out" ignition mode to fire the ignition outputs in pairs = fake wasted spark.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2011, 09:47:36 pm by mattias »

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2011, 08:54:32 am »
Ok mattias,
I'll do my best to find to right firing order....
One question about the priming pulse:
In the megatune soft it apear that is an important think to follow for starting the car in all conditions and if I'm not wrong, it's tunable like a "table" ,example:
-40°c = 11ms
-20°c = ...ms
   0°c = ...ms
 10°c = ...ms
 70°c = 3.1ms
And in Vemstune at warm engine it seems that it can usually be zero or near to zero.....
Do I miss anything?
« Last Edit: March 05, 2011, 10:26:23 am by rossi46numberone »

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2011, 02:04:55 pm »
Prime pulse is very secondary thing. In addition for founding best values for table you need a laboratory, big refrigerator and thousands of cold starts. VEMS algorithm for prime pulse (pulse during power-up)  is greatly simplified: it use just two points: pulse at cold (-40C, but I am unsure) and scale down at warm. So put somewhat like 20ms and 10%. 20ms - -40C 2ms - warm engine.

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2011, 03:38:45 pm »
In fact,at warm engine and waiting a few minute between each start attemp,he does not start @ first key, 95% of the time @ the second attemp(always without touching the throttle).
Do I have to play with the Crank VE or cranking enrichement for best result,I'm scare to flow the engine end kill the battery/starter with too many cranking.  :-\
Is there other things to take in count or a precise method for tune the starting sequence in all conditions with  Vemstune
Ps:if I try immediately after,it start like a charm...
 

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2011, 03:59:57 pm »
Yes: try to rise cranking VE by 10...20% above value in VE map 100kpa/idle (if tuned).

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2011, 05:37:48 pm »
In fact,at warm engine and waiting a few minute between each start attemp,he does not start @ first key, 95% of the time @ the second attemp(always without touching the throttle).
Do I have to play with the Crank VE or cranking enrichement for best result,I'm scare to flow the engine end kill the battery/starter with too many cranking.  :-\
Is there other things to take in count or a precise method for tune the starting sequence in all conditions with  Vemstune
Ps:if I try immediately after,it start like a charm...
 


It´s because you´re trying to run the engine fully sequencial, but without a camsync signal.

You have to use "Dual-Out"-mode for your ignitioncoils.

The reference tooth table you should use is:
0
30
0
30



Wire cylinder 1 ignitioncoil to Pin 34
Wire cylinder 3 ignitioncoil to Pin 24
Wire cylinder 4 ignitioncoil to Pin 36
Wire cylinder 2 ignitioncoil to Pin 10

And use "Dual-out"-mode.

And at "Ignition Outputs visual" you are going to use these settings:

0 - Ignition output 2+3 (7A) Grounding, EC36 pin 34, 36
1 - Ignition output 6+7 (7A) Grounding, EC36 pin 24, 10
2 - Ignition output 2+3 (7A) Grounding, EC36 pin 34, 36
3 - Ignition output 6+7 (7A) Grounding, EC36 pin 24, 10

You maybe have to switch places in order to make the correct pair fire.

That will probably solve your problems.
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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2011, 07:18:10 pm »
Ok i'll try tomorrow and give a feed back asap...
Thanks a lot guys for your precious help!
Regards,Michele.

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2011, 11:21:20 pm »
Sooo... what happened here?  ::)

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2011, 04:26:50 am »
i have been helping a little and i believe he is up and running on dual out.. still waiting for his 1 window cam wheel to come.

now he is trying to sort his stock tach in dash to work from vems output..

did you get your tach working with the info i sent you?
boost addict's Vems powered Audi VRT s2

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Re: fine adjustment on VW 1.8t 20v mk4
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2011, 01:11:21 am »
Hi,
Some news.....
Today the car is running fine.
Finally I decided to keep the original ECU in place and using the Vems for timing,injection and boost.
Why?
Because there is somes operations that the Bosch ECU can control nicely like increasing Rpm when sterring or when turn on the A/C,cold idle speed control,tacho,OBD,etc....
What about Vems:
For ignition I used the wasted spark mode,I'll probably swap to fully seq because it seems that the coils don't like this.
For injection I have choose the "simplified" injector setting and it's work like a charm and more easy to tune.The car is running on Bi-fuel with the swapping Table/config activated,able me to tune each kind of fuel properly.
The engine idling at Lambda 1 and cruising at 1.05 with no missfiring or issue.
I also keep the LPG ecu(Brc system) and make all the stuff working :Gas gauge,transition fuel superposition,gas temp control,specific open LOW_Z injector curve,Tank solenopid valve security,P1-map delta pressure,etc....

Michele