I am getting that itch to add more RPM break points. What I have now is not enough for me. How easy would it be to upgrade on 1.0.73?
It should be easy..
1. Download-config.bat
2. Generate-config16X14.bat
3. Upload-firmware16X14.bat
4. Upload-config.bat
I did prepare my 16x14 tables before i did try that and then i just needed to use that Table import function in MT.
It worked fine for me, then i tried to set my tempsensors to 2063 2063 256, then Vems crashed and i had to reset it. I didnÃ,´t bother to try again, i just uploaded my 12X12 firmware and working config in. I might try it again today...
Quote from: Tcal on November 21, 2007, 07:28:10 AM
It should be easy..
1. Download-config.bat
2. Generate-config16X14.bat
3. Upload-firmware16X14.bat
4. Upload-config.bat
I did prepare my 16x14 tables before i did try that and then i just needed to use that Table import function in MT.
It worked fine for me, then i tried to set my tempsensors to 2063 2063 256, then Vems crashed and i had to reset it. I didnÃ,´t bother to try again, i just uploaded my 12X12 firmware and working config in. I might try it again today...
I think there is a different tempsensor program for 16x14. Please update if you get it to work. Basically I want more breakpoints around idle region to keep those lambdas spot on. OEM ecus have a 2nd table just for idle.
Yes, i did use that tempsensor_upload16X14 command, i didnÃ,´t have enough time today to try it.
I think that those old 2063 hex files are maybe wrong to work with 16X14 firmware, not sure though.
It makes me wonder that why that final 1.0.73zip didnÃ,´t include those 2063 hex files, as iÃ,´ve understand that they are quite common what people use..
Maybe i did mess something wrong when trying to update to those bigger maps
Stick to getting the firmware updated using the tables and configs, I have concerns about MegaTune tables being imported and exported.
Quote from: [email protected] on November 21, 2007, 09:46:21 PM
Stick to getting the firmware updated using the tables and configs, I have concerns about MegaTune tables being imported and exported.
Yeah, I noticed that it doesn't communicate rpm bins values that well even on a same firmware. You end up having to go and change it again once the car is running, weird.
If i remember correctly i didnÃ,´t import those tables yet, it was next after that tempsensor upload thing.. Maybe i have enough time today to try it.
Okay, tried again, this time with better luck.
Dunno what went wrong last time.??!!
I did everything as last time.
I didnÃ,´t drive it yet but it idled ok.
My rpm bins are:
600, 800,1000,1200,1400,1600,2200,2500,2800,3400,4000,4600,5200,5800,6400,7000
And Map bins go like:
20,30,36,40,46,50,60,70,80,90,100,150,198,240
Quote from: Tcal on November 26, 2007, 06:07:52 PM
Okay, tried again, this time with better luck.
Dunno what went wrong last time.??!!
I did everything as last time.
I didnÃ,´t drive it yet but it idled ok.
My rpm bins are:
600, 800,1000,1200,1400,1600,2200,2500,2800,3400,4000,4600,5200,5800,6400,7000
And Map bins go like:
20,30,36,40,46,50,60,70,80,90,100,150,198,240
Good to hear it worked! Now I want to do this but it is my daily driver. So if something doesn't work well--I can't come to work the next day :( I mainly want to add idle area. P/T seems to be fairly linear on my engine.
What firmware are you running?
If youu save your config.txt and tables.txt before you make the change then you can swap back and forth between the different firmware setups quite easily. Best to try it on a weekend though!
1.0.73
Prepare your 16x14 maps before you try to update it..
Then you just have to dial them in, no need to think so much.
im hoping to do this over the winter
i dont know if this is a good idea or not,
BUT:
how about a section on the forum where step by step guides can be posted,
e.g how to convert from 12x12 to 16x14 etc?
just a thought.........
OOOOOOOps that foooked it,
just did the above, and lost all settings,
none of my settings from the old 12x12 have uploaded, like req fuel etc. why?????
Just checked the config.txt that was dloaded and its empty :(
thank god i got a copy of the .msq i was running in 12X12 on the PC,
im now section at a time changing the values in the 16x14 file to get me back near where i was 2 hrs ago :(
makes me wish i left well alone now as the car was running sweet on the 12x12
it gets worse,
just went round to upload the files again, and now the ecu and laptop will not talk to each other,
wtf is wrong now,
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
I had to reset Vems too at the first attempt..
ThereÃ,´s a something about it:
http://www.vems.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=209.0
just been back to the garage and i could not get mine to reset,
either that or im doing it wrong, which dont surprise me :(
had enough now, going to wait until a fresh pair of eyes turns up (jago) in next few days to see if he can find out what is wrong.
Quote from: Tony C on November 30, 2007, 01:19:49 PM
i dont know if this is a good idea or not,
BUT:
how about a section on the forum where step by step guides can be posted,
e.g how to convert from 12x12 to 16x14 etc?
just a thought.........
That'd be good. I am still trying to figure out how to get VE auto learn to work. I've been meaning to write up a procedure for making a base map.
sat here thinking about this,
im doing the reset correct with the paper clip, (i hope)
Rob do you disconect the vems from power completly? or just turn ignition off then on to reset?
if just ign on and off im doing that correct,
i think im not getting the second bit right the upload, :(
maybe im not sending the right data or something, or just getting that part wrong full stop,
at least i know its not an engine fault this time :D ;D :D ;D
garage is toooooooooooooo cold,
what do i need to reset the ecu and upload indoors?
power and earths to the vems and the serial lead inputs yeah?
as if thats all i can rig up a lead and sit in the warm playing, then :D
Hmm, you shouldnÃ,´t turn power off after youÃ,´ve used that pin.
Power off, bridge pin 2&3 with wire, power on, wait a second (doesn't make any difference as its effect is instant), remove wire, connect serial cable and follow the proceedure in that thread. If you power off between it reverts to normal
it runs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D,
but only on 12x12 again but im a happy bunny again,
jago did the same thing i did with the paper clip and the upload, and it did not work for him either, after about 10 attempts doing it different ways it worked. ??? ???
Jago got the 16x14 loaded ok and for some reason, the table values would not save,
every time we changed rpm from say 400 to 7000 when we opened MT again and went into ecu the last 4 or 6 values had changed to 25000 and the kpa had gone from the 5 to 100 we had set to 5 to 256,
any ideas?
the main thing is she is running again on a 12x12 :D,
oh it changed all the injector settings to for some reason,
i will get this to run on the 16x14, just any pointers why it has done the above????
thanks for every ones help again.
may be a VERY stupid question, but did you upload the firmware for the 16x14 or just the tables?
Quote from: [email protected] on November 21, 2007, 09:46:21 PM
Stick to getting the firmware updated using the tables and configs, I have concerns about MegaTune tables being imported and exported.
Perhaps I need to clarify this statement.
Make the 16x14 changes by adding the extra cells to the j[], l[], n[], k[], and r[] tables.txt NOT using MegaTune to do it.
Once running, MegaTune works fine.
j[0]=3F7F 3F7F 3F7F 647F 6E7F 717F 717F 737F 737F 737F 737F 737F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[1]=3F7F 3F7F 3F7F 6C7F 747F 797F 7A7F 797F 797F 797F 797F 797F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[2]=3F7F 3F7F 3F7F 787F 827F 847F 867F 827F 827F 827F 827F 827F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[3]=727F 747F 7D7F 847F 937F 987F 987F 927F 927F 927F 927F 927F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[4]=807F 867F 887F 8A7F 9B7F A47F A87F A17F A17F A17F A17F A17F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[5]=857F 897F 907F 937F A87F B37F B97F B37F B37F B37F B37F B37F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[6]=8D7F 907F 977F 9C7F AF7F B87F BF7F BE7F BE7F BE7F BE7F BE7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[7]=927F 957F 9A7F A07F B07F BA7F C57F C27F C27F C27F C27F C27F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[8]=927F 957F 9A7F A07F B07F BA7F C57F C27F C27F C27F C27F C27F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[9]=927F 957F 9A7F A07F B07F BA7F C57F C27F C27F C27F C27F C27F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[A]=927F 957F 9A7F A07F B07F BA7F C57F C27F C27F C27F C27F C27F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[ B ]=987F A07F A27F A87F B07F BA7F C57F C27F C27F C27F C27F C27F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[C]=FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
j[D]=FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F FF7F
l[0]=3D 35 2F 2F 2F 2F 2F 2F 2F 2F 2F 2F FF FF FF FF
l[1]=38 37 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 FF FF FF FF
l[2]=38 36 31 31 31 31 31 31 31 31 31 31 FF FF FF FF
l[3]=38 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 FF FF FF FF
l[4]=38 38 41 47 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F 4F FF FF FF FF
l[5]=45 45 4F 55 59 59 59 59 59 59 59 59 FF FF FF FF
l[6]=67 67 67 67 67 67 67 67 67 67 67 67 FF FF FF FF
l[7]=6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A FF FF FF FF
l[8]=6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A FF FF FF FF
l[9]=6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A FF FF FF FF
l[A]=6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A FF FF FF FF
l[ B ]=6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A FF FF FF FF
l[C]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
l[D]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
n[0]=3F 3E 60 87 A0 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 FF FF FF FF
n[1]=3E 3C 60 88 A0 B1 B2 B1 B1 B1 B1 B1 FF FF FF FF
n[2]=3A 3C 60 87 9B AA AB A9 A9 A9 A9 A9 FF FF FF FF
n[3]=3A 3C 60 86 98 A1 A2 A1 A1 A1 A1 A1 FF FF FF FF
n[4]=3A 3C 5C 85 8D 99 9B 9A 9A 9A 9A 9A FF FF FF FF
n[5]=3A 3C 58 77 83 8E 8F 8F 8F 8F 8F 8F FF FF FF FF
n[6]=3A 3C 58 6F 7A 81 83 84 84 84 84 84 FF FF FF FF
n[7]=3A 3C 58 67 6F 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 FF FF FF FF
n[8]=3A 3C 50 5F 6F 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 FF FF FF FF
n[9]=3A 3C 50 5F 6F 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 FF FF FF FF
n[A]=3A 3C 50 5F 6F 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 FF FF FF FF
n[ B ]=3A 3C 50 5F 6F 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 FF FF FF FF
n[C]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
n[D]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
k[0]=0A 14 1E 28 32 3C 46 50 5F 6E 7D 8C 9B AA
r[0]=05 0A 0C 12 18 1F 26 2C 33 3A 41 48 50 55 5A 60
While these values are not what you'd want to run, they should at least set the tables up correctly.
cheers Rob,
will give it a go possibly next weekend.