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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #135 on: January 24, 2010, 07:05:38 pm »
bot engines have VR

he uses 1.0.73Final and selected rising  , daily driver

im on 1.1.47v2 and selected falling as gunni suggested, see thread page 1. few starts in garage :)


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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #136 on: January 24, 2010, 07:25:36 pm »
Trigger set upwill be different between these two setups

If when you are in Megatune with 1.1.47 press f1, this will bring up a help window and give you some helpfull information to configure the anrgular width of teeth

Dont forget to set up the trigger refference tabe in the advanced menue

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #137 on: January 24, 2010, 07:28:00 pm »
selected falling as gunni suggested, see thread page 1. few starts in garage :)



Thats great, but the official Vems view on this is that rising is for VR and falling is for Hall.

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #138 on: January 24, 2010, 07:39:43 pm »
selected falling as gunni suggested, see thread page 1. few starts in garage :)



Thats great, but the official Vems view on this is that rising is for VR and falling is for Hall.

f1 just says :
Angular width of tooth
So for a 60-2 the toothwidth is 360/60=6 deg

so mine 6deg angular would be ok.
my refrence tooth table is  40   20   0   40   20  0

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #139 on: January 24, 2010, 07:47:08 pm »
VR sensors are mostly falling from what I can see.
At least that is the better edge to select.

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #140 on: January 24, 2010, 08:30:35 pm »
VR sensors are mostly falling from what I can see.
At least that is the better edge to select.
yes but vems working with the lm chip signal which is rising

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #141 on: January 24, 2010, 09:44:55 pm »
does anyone know what's  tdc after trigger value in this config, i can't find it anywhere  :-[


trigger tooth is 7
another tooth 20
 angular width 6
tooth width 2
  tooth 58.
same as working sly config except i can't find tdc after value... and rising or falling value ..

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #142 on: January 24, 2010, 10:34:12 pm »
ign_tdcdelay=58


x58  is quarter degrees in hexa decimal = (16x5+8) / 4 = 88 / 4 = 22.0 degrees

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #143 on: January 24, 2010, 11:22:24 pm »
ign_tdcdelay=58


x58  is quarter degrees in hexa decimal = (16x5+8) / 4 = 88 / 4 = 22.0 degrees

ok now we have two diefferent configs for same engine one has 44 deg tdc, another 22, or 88?

I'l just order timing gun from ebay just to be sure.
Is there some good tutorail for timing gun?
I have tdc mark on flywheel, then i make mark on pully and engine block and cranck engine and change tdc value until two marks i made on pulley and block matches?


also for iac bosch do i use 30v or 18v diode from vems shop?
Plan is to put diode beteen + and - in ev1 connector.

Thanks everbody.

 

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #144 on: January 24, 2010, 11:27:38 pm »


Assambled with all extra's :)

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #145 on: January 25, 2010, 04:55:07 am »

also for iac bosch do i use 30v or 18v diode from vems shop?
Plan is to put diode beteen + and - in ev1 connector.
Diode 1N2007 is fine
Thanks everbody.

 
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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #146 on: January 25, 2010, 05:07:03 am »
just found two 1n4007 in recue kit  ;D
suppose it will do.

Does anyone knows where to buy wire insulation for harness online? Found onley shrink tube on ebay...

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #147 on: January 25, 2010, 06:10:11 am »
I have tdc mark on flywheel, then i make mark on pully and engine block and cranck engine and change tdc value until two marks i made on pulley and block matches?
That's the idea.

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #148 on: January 25, 2010, 07:05:04 am »
I have tdc mark on flywheel, then i make mark on pully and engine block and cranck engine and change tdc value until two marks i made on pulley and block matches?
That's the idea.

Make sure you configure the cranking advance to zero first, and then back to what it was, after you are done

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Re: help with initial configuration for alfa 2.0 v6 turbo
« Reply #149 on: January 29, 2010, 09:19:01 pm »


Just got these 6x siemens deka 870cc/min @ 3bar (=300kPa = 43.5 psi), i measured them and it's 12ohm.
They are ev1, i did some googling before purchasing "fake injectors" etc, didn't found any complaints.

But is there any chance these are fake? Anyone heard or seen something about fake deka's?

btw is there any way to make simple injector trigger to test them one by one (got spare fuel rail and pump)