Alfa 2.0 V6 turbo

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hi, on the top is direct link for my configuration , i'm using:
firmware_1.1.44alpha2 -- VEMSv3-12x12-STD

I have not yet, started engine.

All sensors are mounted and working except egt( not mounted yet)  and knock. tryed heat on wbo2 and i'ts ok

it's connected according to this:
http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=MembersPage%2FPhatBob%2FUserGuide

-I'm using standard distributor, and one ignition coil connected to: ignition00-pin35
-injectors 1-6 are connected to injector 1 do 6 chanel 1,2,4,8,16,32
-injector #7 chanel 64 is boost valve
-injector #8 chanel 128 is idle valve

-primary trigger vr 60-2 stock alfa
-alfa v6 fire order: 1,4,2,5,3,6
-injektors bosch-702 cca 186cc?
-engine alfa 164-v6 turbo garret t25 1996ccm 8:1
-Max. output:   209.8 PS (207 bph) (154.3 kW) @ 6000 rpm
Max. torque:   289 Nm (213.1 lbft) (29.4 kgm) @ 2750 rpm

help, i don't have any tables  ve, lambda, anythingm this is my first setup

here is someones config from alfa N/A 3.0 v6 engine.

Thx.

You can mail me it willing to help @   topgearv6@gmail.com

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Let's try step by step

I'm not sure how to configure this....
injectors ar connected as fully sequential.

car setup:
-primary trigger vr 60-2 stock alfa
-alfa v6 fire order: 1,4,2,5,3,6
-injectors bosch-702 cca 186cc?
-engine alfa 164-v6 turbo garret t25 1996ccm 8:1

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and i need to primary trigger settings

-primary trigger vr 60-2 stock alfa
-alfa v6 fire order: 1,4,2,5,3,6

[gunni]

According to the first picture and firing order.
your h[0] table should be.
32
4
16
2
8
1
64
128

For the injector settings
0
504
4080
640

100
25.5ms

1
5..0
Alternate

For Primary trigger settings

Falling
Multitooth
Disabled
Disabled
N-2
Normal

TDC after trigger tooth, this you have to check. likely 70-90 for a Bosch 60-2 wheel
Number of teeth. 60
Trigger tooth 3
Next Trigger tooth 20
Crank min 2224

[gunni]

According to the first picture and firing order.
your h[0] table should be.
32
4
16
2
8
1
64
128

For the injector settings
0
504
4080
640

100
25.5ms

1
5..0
Alternate

For Primary trigger settings

Falling
Multitooth
Disabled
Disabled
N-2
Normal

TDC after trigger tooth, this you have to check. likely 70-90 for a Bosch 60-2 wheel
Number of teeth. 60
Trigger tooth 3
Next Trigger tooth 20
Crank min 2224

Angular width of tooth : 6

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i found out that :

"Trigger gap centre is 90 degrees BTDC on all the Alfa V6 motors I've played with so far."

is that it?

Thanks alot!

[gunni]

That would be it, but you need to confirm that with a timing light and your injectors unhooked.
while looking at your TDC mark where that is on your engine.
Post up more of your screenshots if you are having further problems

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here is something from the workshop manual for alfa 3.0 v6, it's basicly the same engine...

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Do you have maybe links to ve /spark/lambda mat tables from some similar turbo engine? i could use for first engine start with vems?

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Are you sure about EDGE-FALLING , becuse here it says : When using a VR sensor the ECU must be configured to trigger on the rising edge of a tooth.

http://www.vems.hu/manual/html/ch09.html#Detailed.Sensor.RPM.Config
?

Thanks!

[gunni]

If you take a look at a VR sinus wave you can see that the signal crosses 0v at a long period and that may trigger the ecu
over a large range, tricking the ecu in actually thinking that the crank is elsewhere.



check out this picture,
See how sharp the falling edge is and long the rising edge is?
the ecu triggers when the signal passes 0v.,
That´s why normally falling edge is used.
I will never use rising edge with a VR sensor.

[rob@vems.co.uk]

Looking at the scope trace there:

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here is something from the workshop manual for alfa 3.0 v6, it's basicly the same engine...

and what about this?

[gunni]

That´s cam timing.
And since vems doesn´t support fully sequential with adjustable injection start or end timing it´s of no use.

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As i don't have any maps/ tables for alfa v6, i'l try to use these basic fuel tables

http://195.159.109.134/vemsuk/forum/index.php/topic,351.0.html

http://www.vems.co.uk/UserContributions/AntonCH/TargetLambda.jpg

http://www.vems.co.uk/UserContributions/AntonCH/VEtable.jpg

Is this ok?