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Offline SamSpade

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Output for fuel economy (fuel rate) gauge?
« on: November 27, 2008, 06:11:35 am »
The '86 BMW I'm working on has a fuel economy gauge:



Haven't tested it yet, but I suppose it works the same as the electronic tachometer which feeds on a symmetric square wave.  I understand that the P259 is configured to control the tach for this.

Of course computing for fuel economy requires a combination of a speed signal and probably injector duty cycle.  The Motronic ECU which the BMW uses has a vehicle speed signal input (VR sensor from rear wheel), so it's straightforward for it to compute for fuel economy.

Anyone have any idea how to implement such a scheme using VEMS?

Offline rob@vems.co.uk

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Re: Output for fuel economy (fuel rate) gauge?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 08:20:15 am »
I think there's something to do with vacuum with that gauge.
In order to find a solution you really need to find what signals go into that gauge.

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Re: Output for fuel economy (fuel rate) gauge?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 09:05:15 am »
I´ll just tell you how it works ;)

It is a square wave but it´s non linear so any output would have to be on a curve.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S5KwL2DUkro

I belive the boost output meter in current firmware would have to be further developed to work with the bmw gauge.
It´s also not body style comparable as there is a coding chip and other engine and diff related calculations in the dashboard going on,.

Offline Sprocket

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Re: Output for fuel economy (fuel rate) gauge?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2008, 10:30:44 am »
At less than 25mpg do you really need a consumption gauge anyway, cant you just use the fuel level gauge instead :D

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Re: Output for fuel economy (fuel rate) gauge?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2008, 12:40:22 pm »
There are templates out there now to turn that gauge into a
oil temp
oil pressure
boost
could be wideband if wanted

all kinds, but I think those will all be seperate purchasable thing so no standalone relations.

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Re: Output for fuel economy (fuel rate) gauge?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2008, 07:15:34 pm »
I´ll just tell you how it works ;)

It is a square wave but it´s non linear so any output would have to be on a curve.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S5KwL2DUkro

I belive the boost output meter in current firmware would have to be further developed to work with the bmw gauge.
It´s also not body style comparable as there is a coding chip and other engine and diff related calculations in the dashboard going on,.

Gunni, as usual great info.  I think I can borrow a signal generator so I'll post here how it maps frequency to output.  My car's also in L/100km, just picked a photo off google images and got that one with the MPG counter.


There are templates out there now to turn that gauge into a
oil temp
oil pressure
boost
could be wideband if wanted

all kinds, but I think those will all be seperate purchasable thing so no standalone relations.

I like this idea.  I'll probably settle with oil temp, oil pressure or fuel pressure (when the turbo goes in there).

I guess there's no programmable frequency output in the current firmware right?  If not, maybe a simple voltage-to-frequency circuit would do well at the moment.  I think I have a spare 100psi, 0-5V output pressure sensor lying around.

Thanks everyone!