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Offline chencho16000

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Engine without sparks, again.
« on: November 19, 2008, 10:19:21 pm »
I don´t understand it.
I rewiew all, I change coil, connectors, but when I try to start engine only one spark and its all.
I sent attached with config and tables

primep=FF
primep_temp_scaling=FF
cwl=32
cwh=05
cranking_thres=03
awev=0A
awev_temp_scaling=0A
awec=32
warmup_clt_range[0]=00
warmup_clt_range[1]=06
warmup_clt_range[2]=1A
warmup_clt_range[3]=2E
warmup_clt_range[4]=50
warmup_clt_range[5]=64
warmup_clt_range[6]=78
warmup_clt_range[7]=8C
warmup_clt_range[8]=AA
warmup_clt_range[9]=C8
warmup_clt[0]=A0
warmup_clt[1]=A0
warmup_clt[2]=A0
warmup_clt[3]=A0
warmup_clt[4]=82
warmup_clt[5]=73
warmup_clt[6]=71
warmup_clt[7]=6E
warmup_clt[8]=69
warmup_clt[9]=64
warmup_rpm_scale=F0
req_fuel=7A
divider=01
alternate=03
injopen=00
battfac=10
kpafac=C8
kpaoffs=A4
injocfuel=2D
injrampup_battfac=FF
injpwm=FF
injpwmt=FF
als_launch_input=0F
rpmk[0]=0B
rpmk[1]=B8
tpsdot_kpadot_conf=00
tpsdotrate[0]=05
tpsdotrate[1]=14
tpsdotrate[2]=28
tpsdotrate[3]=4D
tpsaq[0]=02
tpsaq[1]=04
tpsaq[2]=0D
tpsaq[3]=0D
als_cut_mintps=FF
tpsasync=02
acmult=6E
tpsacold=05
launch_enrich=FF
launch_retard=FF
overrun_fuelcut=FF
overrun_fuelresume=19
rev_limit=3C
airden_ignore=62
config11=30
config12=30
config13=0A
batt_cal=C0
fastidle=6C
als_max_cut=00
dbaro=0C
tps_low=04
tps_high=15
fan_temp=EA
fan_hyst=05
fan_channel=FF
iac_step_seq=C9
iac_conf=5A
iac_max_steps=F0
iac_tps_thres=05
iac_cold_idle_temp=B4
iac_warm_idle_temp=AB
iac_cold_rpm=96
iac_warm_rpm=64
iac_cold_start_pos=E3
iac_warm_start_pos=66
iac_afterstart_rpm=32
iac_afterstart_duration=32
iac_speed=05
iac_kp=80
iac_ki=00
iac_kd=00
launch_rpm=FF
iac_integral_limit_dec=10
iac_integral_limit_inc=20
iac_integral_deadband=14
iac_deadband=32
als_cut_maxtps=00
iac_overclose_interval=0A
iac_ref_pos[0]=FF
iac_ref_pos[1]=FF
iac_ref_pos[2]=FF
iac_ref_pos[3]=99
iac_ref_pos[4]=99
iac_ref_pos[5]=99
iac_ref_pos[6]=99
iac_ref_pos[7]=66
iac_ref_pos[8]=33
iac_ref_pos[9]=26
iac_sol_channel=60
iac_ign_slope=FF
softrpm_range=FF
iac_ign_advance_limit=14
iac_ign_retard_limit=3C
iac_ign_threshold=08
ego_conf=06
ego_lag=03
ego_coolant=92
ego_maxtps=FF
ego_maxmap=FE
ego_minrpm=10
ego_maxrpm=FF
ego_warmup=3C
ego_lean_limit=00
ego_rich_limit=00
ego_pid_kp=40
als_enrich=00
ego_delta=00
ego_target=19
ego_pid_window=FF
wbo2_warmup_ramp=A0
als_react_tps=00
wbo2_abs_limit=E4
wbo2_limit_maxt=A0
wbo2_fallback=B0
wbo2_retry_t=06
wbo2_edgetime_corr=BA
wbo2_edgetime_min=50
wbo2_ri_target=96
wbo2_nernstdc_target=86
wbo2_pump_pw_zero=67
wbo2_calibration=C0
wbo2_heater_pid_kp=46
wbo2_heater_pid_ki=10
wbo2_heater_pid_kd=1A
wbo2_heater_pid_ilimit=80
wbo2_pump_pid_kp=15
wbo2_pump_pid_ki=4E
wbo2_pump_pid_kd=00
wbo2_pump_pid_ilimit=84
wbo2_ri_confidence_scale=80
knock_conf=01
knock_sampling_window=FF
knock1_frequency=29
knock1_gain=3F
knock1_integrator=1F
knock2_frequency=29
knock2_gain=3F
knock2_integrator=1F
knock_threshold=FF
knock_noise_scale=FF
knock_max_retard=FF
knock_default_retard=00
knock_retard_step=FF
knock_retard_delay=FF
knock_advance_step=FF
knock_advance_delay=FF
knock_minrpm=FF
knock_maxrpm=FF
ve_learn_coolant=CC
ve_learn_max_power=FF
ve_learn_rpm_scale=1E
ve_learn_kpa_scale=1E
ve_learn_ego_scale=43
ve_learn_min_weight=4D
ve_learn_speed=FF
ve_learn_limit=FF
ve_learn_conf=00
lcd_c0=FE
lcd_delay=FF
lcd_backlight=FF
kpa_conf=21
ign_balance=00
als_retard_mintps=FF
als_retard_maxtps=00
lcd_default_view=00
primary_trigger=01
secondary_trigger=00
tooth_wheel=23
trigger_tooth=01
another_trigger_tooth=12
crank_minper=50
tooth_wheel_twidth1=03
tooth_wheel_twidth2=06
cam_sync_r_edge_phase=FF
cam_sync_f_edge_phase=FF
reset_engphase_after=D8
ign_tdcdelay=80
ign_dwell14=3B
ign_dwell6=46
ign_crank_advance=28
ign_out=70
ignchmax=01
engine_off_delay=08
pump_on_mintime=08
fuelpump_channel=57
inj_stage2_rate=FF
inj_stage2_start_tps=FF
inj_stage2_start_map=FE
als_deact_rpm=FF
als_deact_time=01
als_deact_egt=00
als_retard=00
als_rev_limit=40
misc1out_minrpm=32
misc1out_maxrpm=50
misc1out_mintps=0
misc1out_maxtps=FF
misc1out_minmap=00
misc1out_maxmap=FE
misc1out_channel=6F
misc2out_minrpm=46
misc2out_maxrpm=FF
misc2out_mintps=00
misc2out_maxtps=FF
misc2out_minmap=00
misc2out_maxmap=FE
misc2out_channel=0F
act_wot_rpm=00
act_wot_channel=FF
act_rpm_rpm=4B
act_rpm_channel=FF
egt1_cal=64
als_tks_channel=FF
boost_conf=00
boost_targetoffs=00
boost_minpressure=41
boost_pid_kp=2D
boost_pid_ki=1B
boost_pid_kd=FA
boost_pid_ilimit=FF
boost_channel=50
water_pump_temp=00
hybrid_rpm_a=00
hybrid_rpm_m=00
water_pump_hyst=00
water_pump_channel=FF
toothrel_normal=84
toothrel_missing=32
fuelcut_min_kpa=00
fuelcut_max_kpa=78
tach_channel=FF
tach_div=FF
shiftcut_conf=ED
shiftcut_channel=FF
shiftcut_time=FF
softrpm_rpm=FF
j[0]=2A80 2F80 3080 3080 2F80 2F80 2F80 2F80 2F80 3080 2F80 2F80
j[1]=2B80 2F80 3280 3580 3580 2E80 3280 3080 2F80 2F80 2F80 2F80
j[2]=3280 2D80 2F80 2C80 3280 2E80 3080 3480 3380 3180 3380 2D80
j[3]=2F80 2C80 2F80 2F80 3380 3180 3380 3280 3580 3480 3480 3180
j[4]=2F80 2E80 3080 3380 3680 3280 3380 3680 3880 3880 3980 3780
j[5]=3080 2F80 2D80 2F80 3480 3380 3780 3D80 4080 4180 3F80 3C80
j[6]=3080 3080 3080 3180 3280 3280 3880 3D80 4480 4780 4580 4180
j[7]=3280 3080 2F80 3180 3280 3380 3880 3C80 4580 4A80 4A80 4A80
j[8]=3180 3080 3080 3180 3280 3380 3780 3C80 4580 4D80 4D80 4D80
j[9]=3180 3180 3180 3180 3280 3280 3880 3D80 4680 4D80 4E80 4E80
j[A]=3180 3180 3280 3280 3280 3480 3C80 4080 4780 4D80 4E80 4E80
j=3180 3280 3280 3280 3380 3580 3D80 4080 4780 4C80 4D80 4C80
l[0]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 3D 43 43 48
l[1]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 3D 43 4D
l[2]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 48 4D 4D 4F
l[3]=37 37 37 37 34 37 37 3D 3B 47 4D 5C
l[4]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 3B 47 4D 51 5C
l[5]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 5C 5E 5E
l[6]=55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 5E 5E 5E
l[7]=55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 5E 5E 5E 5E
l[8]=66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66
l[9]=66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66
l[A]=6B 6B 6B 6B 6B 6B 6B 6B 6B 6B 6B 6B
l=70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70 70
n[0]=40 40 44 50 50 50 50 50 50 50 50 50
n[1]=40 40 4E 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64 64
n[2]=45 44 4F 78 82 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C
n[3]=64 64 64 64 7C 85 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C
n[4]=73 75 75 75 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78
n[5]=70 70 70 70 70 70 78 78 78 78 78 78
n[6]=64 64 64 68 6C 70 78 78 78 78 78 78
n[7]=5C 5C 5C 60 64 68 6C 70 70 70 70 70
n[8]=58 58 58 5C 60 64 68 68 68 68 68 68
n[9]=58 58 58 58 58 58 58 58 58 58 58 58
n[A]=3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C
n=28 28 28 28 28 28 28 28 28 28 28 28
k[0]=28 3C 50 64 78 8C A0 B4 C8 DC F0 04
r[0]=05 0A 0F 15 1B 21 27 2D 33 39 3F 45
h[0]=04 01 02 08 00 10 40 80
h[1]=00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
h[2]=20 10 20 10 20 10 20 10
b[0]=28 30 38 40 48 50 58 60 FF FF FF FF
t[0]=21 40 60 80 A0 C0 E0 FF
When open megatune.exe, why the ALS window are blue color and On? I thinl is disabled.

Thak you very much.

Chencho 16000, from Spain.
chencho16000@hotmail.com

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 10:29:43 pm »
Hi I think:
h[2]=20 10 20 10 20 10 20 10
should be:
h[2]=20 30 20 30 20 30 20 30
And the coils should be connected to EC36pin34 and EC36pin36.
As in most models of VEMS there is no transistor connected to EC36pin33 (channel 10)

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 08:49:23 pm »
Hello.
I changed the series 20 10 20 for the series 20 30 20.
He reloaded the firmware, again reviewed the tables and still does not have a continuous spark, not even jump at all cylinders.
I do not understand.
I will have a problem with ground?
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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2008, 09:37:57 pm »
What pins are your coils connected to?

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2008, 10:11:05 pm »
EC36-34 AND 36.

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2008, 10:28:57 pm »
Sorry! I should have read the a few posts to get the context of this thread  :-[
How are you checking the spark - with a timing light or visibly watching the plug?

Did you have spark on all the channels before?

Can you confirm that its not the coil?

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 07:54:50 am »
I think it isn´t the coil, because It is new.

When I click to start the engine, only a single spark jumps on channel 20, ie the cylinders 1 and 4.
If change the connection, spark on channel 30, sparks at 2 and 3.
 
   The car came with the engine running.
   The engine was operating.

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2008, 10:30:42 am »
Maybe you have fried IGBT's,try to switch the wires to some other outputs (Pin33 & Pin35)...and change the h[2] table according to outputs you select

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2008, 11:10:36 am »
Which firmware is this? secondary_trigger should be 02 when disabled
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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2008, 12:00:56 pm »
Hello Bmw 325i!!!
How knows if EC36 pins 33 or 35 are 12V or 5V?
Best regards!

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2008, 06:14:40 pm »
The pins without IGBTs read 5v if you test between the pin and ground, otherwise they will read 0V

As Sambas pointed out you have secondary_trigger=00 and it should be set to secondary_trigger=02

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2008, 08:10:33 pm »
 Rob, this type of error, may be  for the secondary trigger? or this is for igtb fried?

Has a solution, it is something simple or complicated to repair. ??
I can see it if I open the box on the ECU ??


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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2008, 10:24:44 pm »
First try the trigger setting - you can change it to 2 in Settings->Secondary trigger / Cam sync Settings
The IGBT may be fried - which would be strange if all you did was change a coil - you should have one or two spare, you can find out by looking at voltage on the pins as I posted above.
If you want to remove the front cover and have a look then thats fine, you should be able to see the way that the straps hold the FETs and IGBTs to the case.

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2008, 09:33:37 pm »
Hi Rob!
My unit has the serial number 868.
The purchased through you. In the scheme of connections that send, showing that the coil was connected to pins 34 and 36 of the EC 36. That is how it had functioned properly.
Today, I connected the pins 33 and 35, I set the H (2) and not driving the coil.
You could tell if my unit has other pins I could use?

If you need any information, ask them.
Not to do! ??? ??? ???

Thanks.

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Re: Engine without sparks, again.
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2008, 11:35:38 pm »
There are two more channels that you can use, its a good idea to put the coils back to the original pins, and identify which channel seems to have blown.  You then only need to try to move the single channel.

I have asked for further details on your unit, it may be different to the outputs in the UserGuide.