subaru trigger settings

[Denmark]

Hi all,

Could someone look look this over, to see if this looks like it´s supposed to.
This is the injector and ignition settings the firing order is 1-3-2-4


primary_trigger=29

secondary_trigger=59

tooth_wheel=02

trigger_tooth=00

another_trigger_tooth=03

crank_minper=75

tooth_wheel_twidth1=00

tooth_wheel_twidth2=00

cam_sync_r_edge_phase=00

cam_sync_f_edge_phase=00

reset_engphase_after=04


j[0]=2E80 357F 3A7F 3E7F 427F 447F 477F 487F 487F 487F 477F 457F 447F 427F 407F 3F7F
j[1]=317F 387F 3D7F 427F 467F 497F 4B7F 4C7F 4D7F 4D7F 4C7F 4A7F 487F 467F 447F 437F
j[2]=337F 3A7F 3F7F 447F 487F 4B7F 4E7F 4F7F 4F7F 4F7F 4E7F 4C7F 4A7F 487F 467F 457F
j[3]=347F 3C7F 417F 467F 4A7F 4D7F 507F 517F 527F 517F 507F 4E7F 4C7F 4A7F 487F 477F
j[4]=377F 3F7F 457F 497F 4E7F 517F 547F 567F 567F 567F 557F 537F 507F 4E7F 4D7F 4B7F
j[5]=387F 417F 467F 4B7F 507F 547F 567F 587F 587F 587F 577F 557F 537F 517F 4F7F 4D7F
j[6]=3A7F 427F 487F 4D7F 537F 567F 597F 5A7F 5B7F 5A7F 597F 577F 557F 537F 517F 4F7F
j[7]=3B7F 447F 4A7F 4F7F 557F 587F 5B7F 5C7F 5D7F 5D7F 5B7F 597F 577F 557F 537F 517F
j[8]=3E7F 477F 4E7F 537F 597F 5C7F 5F7F 617F 627F 617F 607F 5D7F 5B7F 597F 577F 557F
j[9]=357F 3E7F 447F 487F 487F 457F 427F 3F7F 387F 427F 497F 4C7F 4D7F 4A7F 467F 437F
j[A]=3A7F 447F 4B7F 4F7F 4F7F 4C7F 487F 457F 3C7F 467F 4D7F 517F 517F 4E7F 4A7F 477F
j=3F7F 497F 517F 567F 567F 537F 4E7F 4B7F 417F 4B7F 547F 587F 587F 557F 517F 4D7F
j[C]=427F 4D7F 567F 5A7F 5A7F 577F 537F 4F7F 447F 4F7F 587F 5C7F 5D7F 597F 557F 517F
j[D]=477F 537F 5C7F 617F 617F 5D7F 597F 557F 867F 857F 837F 807F 7D7F 7A7F 777F 747F
l[0]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37
l[1]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37
l[2]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37
l[3]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37
l[4]=37 37 37 37 31 31 31 31 31 37 37 37 37 37 37 37
l[5]=37 37 37 37 31 31 31 31 37 37 37 47 47 47 47 47
l[6]=37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 37 47 47 47 55 55 55
l[7]=37 37 37 37 47 47 47 47 47 47 47 55 55 55 55 55
l[8]=37 37 37 37 55 55 55 55 55 55 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C 5C
l[9]=37 37 37 37 55 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66
l[A]=55 55 55 55 55 66 66 66 70 70 66 66 70 70 78 78
l=55 55 55 66 66 66 6D 6D 70 70 70 70 78 78 78 78
l[C]=66 66 66 66 66 6D 78 78 78 78 81 81 81 81 87 87
l[D]=78 78 78 78 78 78 78 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 8D 8D
n[0]=28 28 28 50 78 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0
n[1]=28 28 28 50 64 A0 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4
n[2]=28 28 28 50 78 A0 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4
n[3]=3C 3C 50 78 8C B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4
n[4]=64 78 78 8C A0 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4
n[5]=78 78 78 8C B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4 B4
n[6]=78 78 78 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0 A0
n[7]=78 78 78 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C 8C
n[8]=78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78
n[9]=78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78
n[A]=78 78 78 78 78 78 78 78 50 50 50 50 64 64 64 64
n=78 78 78 78 78 64 64 64 3C 3C 3C 3C 50 50 50 50
n[C]=78 78 78 78 78 64 64 50 30 30 30 3C 48 48 50 50
n[D]=64 64 64 64 64 64 50 3C 28 28 30 30 3C 3C 48 48
k[0]=23 2D 32 37 41 4B 5A 64 78 96 B4 D2 E6 FA
r[0]=06 0B 0F 13 18 1C 21 25 2B 30 34 39 3E 42 47 4B
h[0]=08 02 04 01 10 20 40 80
h[1]=FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
h[2]=37 17 27 07 7F 7F 7F 7F
b[0]=32 32 3C 4B 64 69 69 69 69 69 69 69 64 5F 5F 5A
t[0]=33 B3 FF FF FF FF FF FF


Edit.when i got the right download config, the hole thing changed

[Denmark]

Today, i had the ecu pluged in, and got the tps within spec, and the mapsensor offset set,
And tested the fan control, fuel pump, and all is working as supposed,

The tried to crank the engine, to se if there is rpm signal, but it´s complete dead, no rpm count a all,

So it´s not even showing "cranking", i then tried to disabel secondary trigger, to see if that made a difference, but no, no difference at all.

So it looks like i have to get a scoop on it to see if there is a signal comming trough, otherwise, there must be something wrong with the setup,
Which i think it is, but only time will tell


/Skassa

[rob@vems.co.uk]

Put your DVM across the crank sensor pins and see what sort of voltage you're seeing (you'll need to set it on VAC as an alternating current is generated)
Are you driving the fan and fuel pump from FETs or from the P259?  If you've powered up the board without the grounds clustered together you'll have fried the p259 chip, check the voltage on pin 8 of the LM1815 chips if these are well below 5V then P259 is dead.

If not then you will need to have a look at the wiki to find out about trigger logging.

[dnb]

I doubt it's the P259 unless the Subaru grounds have gone bad.  (A distinct possibility!)  Trigger logging is easier than it sounds - I'd be very happy to help you translate them. 

It's definitely best to cluster the grounds since this insures against problems as the OE grounds deteriorate.

[Denmark]

Put your DVM across the crank sensor pins and see what sort of voltage you're seeing (you'll need to set it on VAC as an alternating current is generated)
Are you driving the fan and fuel pump from FETs or from the P259?  If you've powered up the board without the grounds clustered together you'll have fried the p259 chip, check the voltage on pin 8 of the LM1815 chips if these are well below 5V then P259 is dead.

If not then you will need to have a look at the wiki to find out about trigger logging.

I will try to put my DVM on, to se if anything is generated, but i belive so..,

i am running the fan and fuelpump from the p259 chip, but that is trigging the oe relay, so i dont suppose that will be a problem?

The grounds were clustered together, before i powered it up, just like you said

That will be tonight,

Thanks,
Skassa

[Denmark]

I doubt it's the P259 unless the Subaru grounds have gone bad.  (A distinct possibility!)  Trigger logging is easier than it sounds - I'd be very happy to help you translate them. 

It's definitely best to cluster the grounds since this insures against problems as the OE grounds deteriorate.

So i might as well make some good grounding all over,
i will do that..

And yes i need all the help i can get

Thanks,
Skassa

[Denmark]

I had a friend with a advanced scop over to measure the trigger signal, and this is what it looks like.




I do belive that this is how it´s supposed to look like, so all sugestions to make it work, would be welcome


Thanks,
Skassa

[Denmark]

 

Ups, i just found out that i had wired the wrong pins to the jumper, on the first Vr sensor 

I thinki will plug the ecu in again tomorow ..


/Skassa

[Denmark]

I just had the Vems plugged in, and there is a cranking signal, without trigger errors
It´s cranking at just under 200rpm, which is about right..

now i just have to figure out the injector and ignition settings



Thanks,
Skassa

[Denmark]

well,

I´m still having the trigger noise problems, i have just not had the time to get to look at it yet,
I have now decided to pay someone to figuer out how to make the trigger signal work with the VEMS, as this is a problem with all Japanese cars, meaning that the VEMS cant read the trigger signal probberly(only europe cars works),
So i will now pay to get it working, so i in the future can install VEMS without having to "hope" that it can read the triggger.
There must be something with the trigger circut that is not like any other aftermarket ECU, as all others seem to be able to read the trigger signal without the noise..

I have now 2 my99 Impreza´s waiting to have a VEMS mounted, but i have to hold them off, becource of the trigger problems,

Dnb, do you know how the immobliser works on the my99 Impreza?
I just figuere that i can still mount a VEMS, but then there will be no Immobliser, as the LINK and Autronic and such, have dip switches on there ecu to make it work.


Thanks,
Skassa

[dnb]

My MY99 is JDM so the immobiliser is aftermarket.  All it does is the standard thing of having SCRs which cut power to the fuel pump, starter and coils.  I recently found a wiring diagram for a MY99 so I'll see if I can figure it out.

The trigger noise is very interesting to me.  I still haven't done anything about getting my Subaru running on VEMS - still waiting for the engine builder to finish.  He keeps playing with old Fords!  I would guess at it being from poorly shielded wires and lack of signal conditioning on the VEMS circuit board.

[gunni]

Do you not have a shielded cable for the timing signal?

[dnb]

We're both using the standard wiring - so yes, it's shielded, but it's not as good as the wire I use when I made my own looms.

[Denmark]

it´s also not just the Subaru´s,

It´s also feks Toyota, were the trigger is built into the distrubitor,that the Vems is having a hard time to read.,Rob have also had speciel trigger discs made to Nissan cars, but it would be nicer , to being able to run the oe setup , right?

But i´m sure that we will now find a solution, that hopefully will work with all cars, both the europe and Jap cars,

On the last 20v Toyota i made it ran off the oe setup for a while, but i got fed up with the starting problem, so i mounted a 36-1 crank trigger wheel,
It´s also easy, but there will be a much bigger marked for the VEMS if it can run cars off the shell, with oe wiring, and just a adaptor to connect VEMS.


/Skassa

[rob@vems.co.uk]

The reason for the Nissan trigger disk was not noise but the design of the trigger disk itself - a lot of ECU manufacturers use a replacement trigger disk.

Rob