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Offline chencho16000

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I dont have spark.
« on: November 10, 2007, 08:05:56 pm »
We installed Edis 4.
We think well.
but.......We have not spark.
Please, what are configuration setting? :-\

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2007, 08:08:14 pm »


What are your settings?
Can you give some more info?
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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2007, 10:53:26 pm »
I recieved your email,either way i dont see why did you sent it when you have thread?

I heard that EDIS is not so great,but thats your choice...

What car is getting this EDIS coils?
This is the info that i found on Wiki,you should first learn to use wiki,then ask questions....and you must put some more info when asking questions if you are expecting to get an answer.

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How to connect EDIS to GenBoard?

    * PIP goes from EDIS => GenBoard primary_trigger
    * no other signals go from EDIS => GenBoard (TACH, COIL, whatever)
    * SAW command signal goes from GenBoard => EDIS
    * configuration must enable EDIS and match the polarity of PIP and SAW

This is the page you are looking for:
http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=EdisIgnition%2FFaQ

Good luck!

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 07:44:19 pm »

   Sorry. I´m afraid. :-[
   I don´t understand more things.
   Last weekend, I fit a two coil wasted spark so and as you indicate to me, only that coil drive will be Vems 3.3 pinout 10 and 35.
   I understand that it will work in the same way.

   VR I have connected it to pinout 27 and ground, without 5v+.
   
   I go by the good way?

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2007, 08:50:54 pm »
To know which pins to connect your wasted spark coils to I need to know which ignition option you bought from the webshop.
The connection posted above shows the most typical connections for the wasted spark pack.
VR is connected to EC36-pin27 and ground, it does not need power so you have it correctly connected.

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2007, 09:01:29 pm »
Where I can see which option I bought?
Unit serial number is 868.
Rob, I bought the Vems to traverse yours.

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2007, 10:43:06 pm »
Ah! Now I remember.  You have a 4 ignition driver system, you can check
which are populated with this:


So you can use EC36-pin34 and EC36-pin10 if want to

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2007, 09:00:14 pm »
The coils already are connected to 12V.
Coil drive 12V or 5V? ???

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 10:30:47 pm »
Coils are supplied with +12v to the common, then the coil ground connections go to EC36-pin34 and EC36-pin36 we call these drivers because they control the coils, and as we're using 12v for the coils these are the 12V Drive pins described below.
Next check that the coil control is setup correctly go to  Settings->Ignition Outputs and check that:
Ignition outputs in use in h[2] is set to 01 .. 00
And that
0 is set to 3 (EC36 pin 36)
1 is set to 2 (EC36 pin 34)

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 09:57:08 pm »
Supposing that drives has the option of 4 ignition driver system and are those of the previous scheme,
can I use the 10 and the 34?,  or rather nobodies of the 4?

    In relation to:
Settings - Ignition Settings - Ignition driver Type: EDIS
                                     - Invert driver output: DISABLED

Settings - Primary Trigger Settings - Type: MULTITOOTH

Settings - Ignition Outputs - Outputs in use: 01.00
                                       EC36 pin 34 and EC36 pin 10

If something is not correct, I occurred it please.

By the way, where I connect idle air control valve? and boost control valve?


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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 10:53:24 pm »
Ignition type is Dummy as you are not using the EDIS module, just the DIS coil pack.

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2007, 01:03:05 pm »
Connected and settings are ready.
The needle of the tachometer gauge oscillates, works.
So I haven´t spark at spark plug. ??? ??? ???


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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2007, 03:53:49 pm »
Ignition type is Dummy as you are not using the EDIS module, just the DIS coil pack.

I think he wants to use EDIS module,at least that the way it looked like in email.He sent the sheme of complete module.

Mate are you using complete EDIS pack with module from Ford or just the coils? Because if you want to use complete module i think you need to use Ford Trigger Wheel as well,Rob will confirm on this one.
You didnt wrote on what car is this going to be installed?

The config that Rob gave you is WITHOUT module,just coilpack.

So you can just use this:

http://www.mkosonen.com/edis6coilpack.jpg

You DONT need this:

http://www.mkosonen.com/edis6module.jpg



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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2007, 04:20:28 pm »
The car is Ford Escort Rs Turbo.
Engine: Zetec 1.8.
           Ford Edis Coil pack (4 cyl)
           Vems Genboard 3.3
           VR and wheel original from Ford edis4.

  In this moment, this, is the installation.


         
         

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Re: I dont have spark.
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2007, 08:41:57 am »
Did you generate and upload the config and tables in that Ford Release I sent you?
What sort of cranking RPM do you see?
The config is designed to work with the VEMS connected like this: