High RPM fluctuation

yanmar · October 10, 2013, 05:48:20 AM

HI,
Can someone give me a clue how to diagnose my problem. ???
Below 3000 the rpm curve looks very smooth in the log, but then i see sudden jumps up to +_ 100revs. This causes big inj. duty cycle oscillations which disturb my tuning. I've checked with oscilloscope the trigger signal and it looks pretty good. it is 60-2 wheel and i read the trigger log will not help me. The VEMS firmware is 1.1.96 and IGBT drivers are in use.
I will attach my graphs when find out how to do it.

Thnks,

MWfire · October 11, 2013, 06:29:27 PM

Cam sync? Wrong vr polarisation?

yanmar · October 20, 2013, 02:34:45 PM

I've checked polarity this weekend, and all was ok. Cam-sync is disabled.
How VEMS calculate RPM? If it is counting teeth only, revs shouldn't jump like that. the oscilloscope shows very stable VR sensor signal at all rpm. Is it possible something else to disturb the calculations?
I don't feel anything when rev the engine, just rpm gauge starts to play.

gunni · October 20, 2013, 03:05:55 PM

When it does oscillate in the log can you feel it? Does it ever do it on the overrun or only on neutral / positive acceleration ?

fphil · October 20, 2013, 05:24:14 PM

I get also a noisy RPM with jumps which can be indeed of about 100rpm, but only 3 crank trigs are in use in my case for my odd fire engine. I have concluded that rpm is simply the last angle speed at sync time so the errors are dependent of the engine speed.

yanmar · October 20, 2013, 09:27:39 PM

It happens always when the revs are above 3000 (positive, negative, neutral and when hold revs), as the amplitude increases with RPM.
I don't feel it. I was thinking if it is possible to be very light misfire, but the fluctuation appears during deceleration when fuel is cut as well.
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GintsK · October 20, 2013, 10:44:45 PM

Some log file?

yanmar · October 20, 2013, 11:44:33 PM

tried to upload log here:

http://www.vems.hu/filethingie.php?subdir=MembersPage/yanmar

GintsK · October 21, 2013, 09:38:38 AM

Seems rpm doesn't cause problems. But noisy MAP signal does!
What relates to rpm - do you get same non clean RPM line when free reving? It might be because of engine fluctuations against transmission.

yanmar · October 21, 2013, 01:06:03 PM

When looking my logs i noticed duty cycle was jumping mostly when rpm play and not that much when MAP play, that's why I pointed rpm sensor. I upload in my files some trigger waves taken at high rpm with scope. They look good, but the voltage amplitude seems low +-1.5V. I want to check if that is normal.
Regarding MAP I have no idea how to test it. Will try with my air compressor first.

fphil · October 21, 2013, 05:55:58 PM

Is it not your boost controller acting @ 100kPa?

yanmar · October 21, 2013, 09:02:17 PM

yes, it is off below 110kpa. I see no reason to use it when boost is low.

fphil · October 21, 2013, 10:59:13 PM

Is it not your boost controller acting @ 100kPa which makes that ripple on the map value?

yanmar · October 22, 2013, 08:35:30 AM

I checked the log posted, but see no ripple in MAP value @100kpa. It is very smooth there.

fphil · October 22, 2013, 03:51:55 PM

sorry I meant 231kPa

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