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Offline Phil MyeRS

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Help.... Won't start anymore!
« on: June 25, 2007, 10:44:45 am »
If any one can give some advice it will be appricated as i am a complete newbie to all this. Got my Escort idleing on saturday. Very rough and erratic. Realised one of the injector plugs wasn't connected. Stopped to refit injector plug, fill with coolant, tighten clips i'd missed, and adjust blowing front pipe. The extention lead my laptop was plugged into was knocked out of the wall causing it to switch off, the 'settings' at the top of mega tune was open but i can't remember which option i had open when it shut down. Now it won't start, Checked power to ecu, checked for spark at plugs but don't seem to have any thing for the injectors. The common power up to the injector is fine, theres power on the flyback down to the diode, but not after, Is this ok or not? ive checked continuity of the injector to ecu wires through the resistor blocks. Done the injector checks from the wiki site and don't seem to get any readings. If anyone has anything that might point me in the right direction or think i may have altered something i shouldn't have. Going back to check everything again

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007, 01:20:06 pm »
Which injector checks were these?

If there's voltage to the + side of the injectors, and continuity between the injector and VEMS then you should have a good electrical connection and it should be driving the injectors okay.  Try removing the crimps from the EC plug and powering up the VEMS to check that 12v is heading on down to injectors okay.

What injector settings are you running?

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007, 03:31:47 pm »
Checked every thing again, did the led in the injector plug and there was a pulse. My mate suggested some easy star through the turbo and it fired. And what a fool i now feel! Now its starts, would this be the correct time to fit the Wbo2 into the equation?
Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007, 05:46:06 pm »
I'd get that fire up sorted first - do you think its too much or too little fuel in the priming/cranking/afterstart area?
Adding easy start will give you some combustible gas to kick off the burn so it may be that you are too lean, conversely it might be that you're too rich because you've added 25% more fuel by having that other injector connected.

What I'd do is: crank the engine with your foot down on the throttle - this causes the fuel cut to activate, modulate the throttle on and off to inject a little fuel and see if the engine catches, if it catches with just a little bit of throttle modulation you're massively over rich so reduce the cranking pulsewidth by a few ms and try again. If it catches with your foot off the throttle more than its on, then you're nearly there so pull 0.5ms at a time.

Inspect your plugs throughout the cycle they tell you more about the mix at this stage than the wideband will.

As for feeling like a fool - DONT! this whole engine management system stuff is difficult, when I used to do carbs and distributor based tuning there were only a handful of people that actually understood what "Jetting" was (I was not one of them), yet hundreds claimed to have Jetted their carbs themselves ;)  Nowadays theres a lot of "Mappers" out there and probably an equal number of them who actually understand what's happening.  You've started the journey of becoming one of the latter 8)

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007, 06:47:28 pm »
Think its very rich, it set smoke alarm off in garage! Been kicked out into the rain, (its a mates garage and he needed to get a car on ramp). Was starting this aft at first turn of key, now its been left a while its not firing again. Will do what you have suggested when i can get back undercover. Typical British weather eh!!

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007, 02:54:06 pm »
After wading across town with the floods in sunny Pickering, the old bus won't fire. I've checked voltage right back to ec pin which reads 12.** volts. After connecting the ec pin back in and putting the dvm in line, checking the votage going into the ecu while spinning the engine over. The dvm fluctuates between 1.2 and 1.5 volts. Does this reading sound about right or have i upset something inside the ecu?

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 04:38:38 pm »
The voltage to the ECU will fluctuate quite a bit, you should see the batt voltage gauge fluctating on the MegaTune screen

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 06:08:19 pm »
Yeah, the voltage on MT fluctuates between 10 and 12 volts. But put the dvm in line with with ec pins 7 or 19 and its down between 1.2 and 1.5 volts. Does this seem low?

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007, 07:11:08 pm »
That sounds about as the injectors are pulsing on and off, so the voltage will be low - if they were on for 50% of the time they'd be showing 6volts.

Rob

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Re: Help.... Won't start anymore!
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2007, 12:10:29 pm »
Don't forget that this voltage drop will be affecting your fuel pump too.  Thus your fuel pressure may well be all over the place!

This is about the most difficult job to do when you map a car from scratch, so don't ever feel like a fool! 
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